1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,340 The following program is rated 14 plus and contains scenes of violence, coarse 2 00:00:04,340 --> 00:00:05,800 language, and mature themes. 3 00:00:06,060 --> 00:00:07,560 Viewer discretion is advised. 4 00:00:15,020 --> 00:00:20,220 In Toronto's war on crime, the worst offenders are pursued by the detectives 5 00:00:20,220 --> 00:00:22,460 the Specialized Criminal Investigations Unit. 6 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:24,080 These are their stories. 7 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:47,640 Come on, Ivy. Stay for a little more song. No, Amy. 8 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:49,280 Seriously, I have to go. 9 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:50,840 I have class tomorrow at nine. 10 00:00:51,060 --> 00:00:53,580 We're literally easing every course. You can take a morning off. 11 00:00:54,500 --> 00:00:55,500 Wait, is something wrong? 12 00:00:56,540 --> 00:00:58,440 Is it Rob? No, I'm fine. 13 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:00,280 Go sing. I'll see you at home. 14 00:01:00,620 --> 00:01:02,040 Go. Go. 15 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:04,660 Okay. Can I close my tab? 16 00:01:04,860 --> 00:01:05,860 Sure. 17 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:08,740 No whole lot of love tonight? 18 00:01:09,580 --> 00:01:10,580 What? 19 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:12,600 Nothing. 20 00:01:17,270 --> 00:01:19,290 Rob, stop calling. I'm not at tempo. 21 00:01:21,810 --> 00:01:25,590 Ivy, if you're still feeling this way, maybe you should take a break. 22 00:01:25,850 --> 00:01:27,130 Go to your parents. 23 00:01:27,390 --> 00:01:30,390 So you think I should just run away from my problems? 24 00:01:30,690 --> 00:01:33,250 No. I think you need to manage your stress. 25 00:01:33,650 --> 00:01:35,710 Wait, you don't think this is real, do you? 26 00:01:36,870 --> 00:01:40,750 Look, I'm not living in some fantasy world, Dr. Nielsen. I didn't say that, 27 00:01:41,450 --> 00:01:43,910 Come, sit, please. 28 00:01:47,850 --> 00:01:51,590 I think you should consider doing what's best for you in this situation. 29 00:01:52,090 --> 00:01:53,290 I know what's best for me. 30 00:01:54,610 --> 00:01:56,090 And I'm not going anywhere. 31 00:01:57,910 --> 00:01:59,310 Everyone's looking at this all wrong. 32 00:02:00,050 --> 00:02:01,050 I've done the tests. 33 00:02:01,290 --> 00:02:03,670 These wounds were made by something easily accessible. 34 00:02:04,190 --> 00:02:05,330 A steak knife. 35 00:02:05,570 --> 00:02:06,570 A paring knife. 36 00:02:06,870 --> 00:02:10,570 So you think the killer was in the house with her? Followed her out? 37 00:02:10,770 --> 00:02:12,010 Why? Is that what you think? 38 00:02:12,870 --> 00:02:13,870 Come on. 39 00:02:14,030 --> 00:02:16,010 Please, Ivy. Help me out. 40 00:02:16,630 --> 00:02:19,190 Why would someone stab this woman seven times? 41 00:02:19,990 --> 00:02:23,150 Passion makes people do irrational things, Morris. 42 00:02:24,150 --> 00:02:26,670 And you'd know that if you didn't spend all your time playing with knives. 43 00:02:30,110 --> 00:02:34,470 Okay, so what is it then? I want to possess you, be you, so I'm going to 44 00:02:34,470 --> 00:02:35,470 you? 45 00:02:37,250 --> 00:02:38,250 Hello? 46 00:02:38,790 --> 00:02:40,610 Yes, yes, thank you for calling back. 47 00:02:41,670 --> 00:02:43,830 Yeah, I can be there. 48 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:49,380 Is that your mystery lead? 49 00:02:55,180 --> 00:02:56,560 You're sure that's what you heard? 50 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:58,880 Yes, I am certain. 51 00:02:59,500 --> 00:03:00,880 Who else have you told about this? 52 00:03:01,340 --> 00:03:02,340 You're the first. 53 00:03:14,420 --> 00:03:15,420 Rob, 54 00:03:15,620 --> 00:03:19,440 what the hell are you doing? I just... I want to talk. You've been avoiding me. 55 00:03:20,380 --> 00:03:22,220 We've talked for months. You don't listen. 56 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:23,520 We broke up. 57 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,440 Okay, but what if I didn't want to? 58 00:03:29,940 --> 00:03:30,940 Hey, it's me. 59 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:36,720 Great work. I just think that maybe our last chapter needs a bit more muscle. I 60 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:39,500 mean, I know you're all about the subtlety and that's awesome, but I think 61 00:03:39,500 --> 00:03:41,360 if we're going to make waves, we need to hit it harder. 62 00:03:42,460 --> 00:03:44,060 That's my thought. Anyway, I'll see you soon. 63 00:03:59,920 --> 00:04:01,360 Are you home? I need to talk to you. 64 00:04:03,060 --> 00:04:04,060 Amy? 65 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:37,100 Amy, Mama Rita can't wait to find you. Call me as soon as... 66 00:04:37,100 --> 00:04:52,940 Hello? 67 00:04:53,300 --> 00:04:54,300 Can't start this. 68 00:04:54,860 --> 00:04:55,860 What's your emergency? 69 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:57,240 Hello? 70 00:05:35,870 --> 00:05:39,670 Campus security got a call from this phone at 11 .22, but there was nobody on 71 00:05:39,670 --> 00:05:40,269 the line. 72 00:05:40,270 --> 00:05:43,370 They sent somebody at 11 .30 thinking it was a prank. 73 00:05:44,370 --> 00:05:45,470 No such luck. 74 00:05:45,750 --> 00:05:47,970 Ivy Abbott, 20 years old. 75 00:05:48,230 --> 00:05:51,050 Dean said she's a third -year criminology major. 76 00:05:51,290 --> 00:05:52,770 She's got a 4 .0 GPA. 77 00:05:53,710 --> 00:05:54,710 Smart kid. 78 00:05:54,930 --> 00:05:56,250 You talked to the parents yet? 79 00:05:56,550 --> 00:05:59,950 Yeah, they're both academics. They're in Edinburgh per year. They're flying back 80 00:05:59,950 --> 00:06:02,150 today. Ivy was her only kid. 81 00:06:02,850 --> 00:06:07,810 So, what sent... Ivy Abbott to an emergency phone in the middle of the 82 00:06:08,010 --> 00:06:09,310 Well, her cell phone died. 83 00:06:09,910 --> 00:06:11,810 Uh, here. 84 00:06:13,150 --> 00:06:15,230 Secretive charge. Oh, great. Thanks. 85 00:06:18,130 --> 00:06:20,130 I wonder if someone was following her. 86 00:06:20,530 --> 00:06:25,630 Well, these indentations between her fingers. Could be she tried to arm 87 00:06:26,050 --> 00:06:27,770 Maybe with her keys for protection. 88 00:06:28,190 --> 00:06:32,410 Okay, so she runs to the phone to call for help, but the killer... 89 00:06:33,229 --> 00:06:38,650 stabs her in the neck, and then drags her and flips her over. Keeps stabbing. 90 00:06:40,070 --> 00:06:44,370 The wound to her neck would have been fatal. The six stabs on her back, that 91 00:06:44,370 --> 00:06:45,790 anger. This was personal. 92 00:06:46,710 --> 00:06:47,870 You found the weapon? 93 00:06:48,330 --> 00:06:49,610 No, nothing yet. 94 00:06:51,510 --> 00:06:56,210 Anything on her person that could account for this? Looks like rope burn. 95 00:06:56,210 --> 00:06:58,110 just found her wallet, keys, and her phone. 96 00:06:58,370 --> 00:06:59,370 Oh, it's charged. 97 00:06:59,970 --> 00:07:00,970 Thanks. 98 00:07:05,590 --> 00:07:09,350 Hey, what do you mean you're too scared to stay home? Call me. 99 00:07:16,910 --> 00:07:19,030 Ivy said she was coming back to her apartment. 100 00:07:19,290 --> 00:07:21,230 I was studying on campus till midnight. 101 00:07:21,710 --> 00:07:23,830 My phone was on do not disturb. 102 00:07:24,130 --> 00:07:28,770 When I got Ivy's voicemail, I texted her and she didn't respond. 103 00:07:29,150 --> 00:07:31,350 I ran home and I found this. 104 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:33,800 I tried to blow them all up, but there were so many. 105 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:37,340 Amy, is there anyone we can call? 106 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:39,300 Can I text my mom? Of course. 107 00:07:49,580 --> 00:07:52,000 Amy, has anything like this happened before? 108 00:07:52,580 --> 00:07:55,620 The first time there were just a couple of candles, then a few more. 109 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:56,920 It's the third time. 110 00:07:57,500 --> 00:07:58,960 Have you must have been so scared? 111 00:08:01,930 --> 00:08:03,730 Do you have any idea who might have done that? 112 00:08:04,650 --> 00:08:06,790 Yeah, I figured it was Rob, Ivy's ex. 113 00:08:07,270 --> 00:08:11,330 It started a couple months ago when they broke up. Did Ivy ever inform the 114 00:08:11,330 --> 00:08:15,830 police? She tried. The cop at the station said that it's not a crime to 115 00:08:15,830 --> 00:08:17,510 something outside of someone's house. 116 00:08:18,770 --> 00:08:20,570 Oh, sweetheart, I'm so sorry to hear that. 117 00:08:21,710 --> 00:08:25,430 Do you think this was some grand gesture to try to get Ivy back? 118 00:08:26,250 --> 00:08:27,470 We tried every other way. 119 00:08:27,690 --> 00:08:30,670 Constant calling, texting, guys unhinged. 120 00:08:32,610 --> 00:08:34,030 Wait, you think I did something to Ivy? 121 00:08:35,250 --> 00:08:38,770 No, no, I would never hurt her. Well, what do you know about this, huh? 122 00:08:39,210 --> 00:08:41,390 It's got quite the distinctive scent. 123 00:08:42,409 --> 00:08:47,450 Cedar, cannabis, Canadian wildflowers. And a hundred of these were left on 124 00:08:47,450 --> 00:08:48,550 patio last night. 125 00:08:48,750 --> 00:08:49,489 It's crazy. 126 00:08:49,490 --> 00:08:50,610 Where were you last night, Rob? 127 00:08:51,810 --> 00:08:52,810 I was at the Madison. 128 00:08:53,030 --> 00:08:54,730 Got there like 10 p .m. with a few buddies. 129 00:08:55,130 --> 00:08:56,970 Stayed until, I don't know, 1 .30. 130 00:08:57,270 --> 00:08:58,290 Came back here with Kaylee. 131 00:08:58,730 --> 00:08:59,730 She just left. 132 00:09:00,130 --> 00:09:01,130 Kaylee? 133 00:09:02,350 --> 00:09:04,110 Trying to make new people get over Ivy. 134 00:09:05,310 --> 00:09:08,030 Best six months of my life were with her. So why did you break up? 135 00:09:08,230 --> 00:09:09,049 I don't know. 136 00:09:09,050 --> 00:09:12,410 She just pulled away. She broke up with me. She wouldn't tell me why. 137 00:09:14,170 --> 00:09:17,170 She shut down her social media, started going to therapy, which I thought was 138 00:09:17,170 --> 00:09:20,250 weird. I mean, she never wanted to talk about her feelings before. 139 00:09:21,290 --> 00:09:22,290 Who's your therapist? 140 00:09:22,810 --> 00:09:23,810 Someone on campus. 141 00:09:25,230 --> 00:09:26,230 Sarah something. 142 00:09:30,190 --> 00:09:31,190 Ivy and I met. 143 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:33,020 Four times in the last few months. 144 00:09:33,740 --> 00:09:35,180 She was a great student. 145 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:36,800 Good kid. 146 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:39,520 And she needed someone to talk to. 147 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:41,460 Yes. She was stressed. 148 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:47,500 Anxious. Did this anxiety have anything to do with unwanted attention? 149 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:51,840 A lot of female students seek out guidance regarding harassment, 150 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:53,560 unfortunately, Ivy was no different. 151 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,860 Look, I wouldn't normally do this, but... 152 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:04,000 You can have my notes. They might help. 153 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:08,620 Thank you. Ivy was convinced that someone was following her. She said that 154 00:10:08,620 --> 00:10:11,860 left things outside of her apartment lurking near her place. To be honest, I 155 00:10:11,860 --> 00:10:14,660 couldn't tell whether this was real or whether it was some delusion brought on 156 00:10:14,660 --> 00:10:15,700 by some underlying issue. 157 00:10:15,980 --> 00:10:17,560 It says here possible BPD. 158 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:20,020 I'm assuming that's borderline personality disorder. 159 00:10:20,700 --> 00:10:22,460 Distorted sense of self, intense emotions. 160 00:10:23,100 --> 00:10:24,580 Relationship instability, yes. 161 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:28,820 It's all motivated by a fear of abandonment. But I wasn't sure because 162 00:10:28,820 --> 00:10:31,580 exhibited traits of... Paranoid personality disorder. 163 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:33,740 Illusions. Distrust. 164 00:10:34,140 --> 00:10:35,920 And you never made an official diagnosis? 165 00:10:36,580 --> 00:10:42,440 No, no. And considering what happened to her, I suppose I got that all wrong. 166 00:10:45,180 --> 00:10:48,680 Regardless, it would take me more than four sessions to be sure. You know, some 167 00:10:48,680 --> 00:10:50,980 folks go after the stuff with a hammer. 168 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:53,020 I paint in watercolor. 169 00:10:53,500 --> 00:10:55,040 You know, it takes time. 170 00:10:55,700 --> 00:10:56,700 Patience. 171 00:10:57,390 --> 00:10:59,290 I wanted to help Ivy. I really did. 172 00:10:59,490 --> 00:11:02,130 But I couldn't report the harassment for her. 173 00:11:02,550 --> 00:11:05,610 Did Ivy ever describe this person? 174 00:11:06,210 --> 00:11:10,170 The only thing that I remember her saying is that he wore an army jacket. 175 00:11:21,110 --> 00:11:22,570 It's so sad, isn't it? 176 00:11:22,910 --> 00:11:23,930 Did you know him? 177 00:11:25,530 --> 00:11:26,570 She was my girlfriend. 178 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:28,280 My God. 179 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:29,480 I'm so sorry. 180 00:11:30,940 --> 00:11:34,320 Apparently, she tried to report it, but her description of the guy was vague. 181 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:38,120 And do you know what they say about stalking? Yes, homicide in slow motion. 182 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:42,580 Finished IV Abbott's autopsy. The killer twisted the knife inside her neck 183 00:11:42,580 --> 00:11:44,000 almost 180 degrees. 184 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,860 She sliced her carotid and her jugular? Yeah, she bled out quickly. 185 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:52,420 I looked into those abrasions on her left hand. They're thin fibers embedded. 186 00:11:52,420 --> 00:11:53,420 sent them for testing. 187 00:11:53,460 --> 00:11:58,120 Possibly clutching onto an object as a weapon when the keys fell? Maybe. I once 188 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:01,100 tried to fend off a subway perv using a debit card. 189 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:04,600 Yeah, I pretended chapstick with pepper spray. It actually worked. 190 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:06,700 Her killer wasn't a stranger. 191 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:11,140 He had a personal connection with her. Yeah, he either hated her or desired 192 00:12:11,300 --> 00:12:13,040 Maybe he even felt a whole lot of love. 193 00:12:14,570 --> 00:12:17,010 What's the name of the candle? Forensics just came back. 194 00:12:17,390 --> 00:12:21,830 Pinpointed a proprietary blend of cedar, cannabis, and Canadian wildflowers. 195 00:12:21,850 --> 00:12:26,310 Created by a Canadian company, Shy Wolf, I called them. And guess who bought 150 196 00:12:26,310 --> 00:12:28,950 candles using their credit card online? 197 00:12:29,890 --> 00:12:32,430 Hope you have a reservation because we're totally booked tonight. 198 00:12:32,890 --> 00:12:37,790 Oh, I'm sure you could squeeze us in for, I don't know, five minutes and 33 199 00:12:37,790 --> 00:12:41,490 seconds. I just don't have time to do a hearty rendition of a whole lot of love. 200 00:12:42,740 --> 00:12:44,660 Carter Harold, right? That's you? 201 00:12:45,060 --> 00:12:48,820 Yeah. Well, it seems recently you bought a whole lot of these candles. 202 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:53,520 Very expensive to just leave them all in Ivy Abbott's backyard. 203 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:04,920 Come on, Carter. That's enough. 204 00:13:05,300 --> 00:13:06,500 I'm going to kill Ivy, I swear. 205 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:10,320 You sure? 206 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:12,200 Because you were stalking her. 207 00:13:13,660 --> 00:13:17,460 Okay. I left the candles on the night she died. On all those nights. But I 208 00:13:17,460 --> 00:13:18,460 wanted... Wanted what? 209 00:13:18,980 --> 00:13:20,720 Be her own personal boogeyman? 210 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:22,960 No. I wanted her to know that I cared about her. 211 00:13:23,460 --> 00:13:25,220 The candles, they were a message. 212 00:13:25,700 --> 00:13:27,380 They were named after a song we sang together. 213 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:30,080 You're telling me a 20 -year -old sang Led Zeppelin at karaoke? 214 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:34,540 Not exactly. I was in a room on my own one night. 215 00:13:34,980 --> 00:13:36,960 But then I heard a voice in the hall joining in. 216 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:39,480 I looked out and saw... 217 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:42,280 Her. And you got hooked. 218 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:47,600 Pulled her address off her ID, went to her house, started taking photos, 219 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:48,800 lighting candles. 220 00:13:48,820 --> 00:13:49,920 I needed her to know how I felt. 221 00:13:50,140 --> 00:13:51,540 What about how she felt? 222 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:56,060 I'm pretty sure you terrified her every single time. 223 00:13:56,520 --> 00:14:01,820 See, I'm pretty new to this, so forgive me, but you want us to believe that you 224 00:14:01,820 --> 00:14:06,080 trespassed onto her property, peeked through her windows, and... 225 00:14:06,490 --> 00:14:11,350 Took some pretty intrusive photos of her. But then you didn't? Follow her to 226 00:14:11,350 --> 00:14:14,470 deserted area, stab her in the neck and in the back? 227 00:14:15,290 --> 00:14:18,310 Carter, what did Ivy do when she saw the candles? 228 00:14:22,330 --> 00:14:23,330 Answer the question. 229 00:14:24,290 --> 00:14:25,670 We ran away, okay? 230 00:14:26,830 --> 00:14:28,290 She obviously didn't like them. 231 00:14:28,570 --> 00:14:31,630 Shocker. So I left, and I went to work the late shift at the bar. 232 00:14:32,830 --> 00:14:34,570 Check the cameras. I was there by 11 .15. 233 00:14:35,150 --> 00:14:36,150 We will. 234 00:14:36,220 --> 00:14:38,300 Honestly, I wish I'd followed her. I could have helped her. 235 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:41,220 Well, maybe it's not too late to help. 236 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:43,480 You followed her around, right? 237 00:14:43,900 --> 00:14:45,340 Yeah. What was she up to? 238 00:14:47,260 --> 00:14:49,700 She was spending way too much time at that criminology building. 239 00:14:49,940 --> 00:14:54,100 She had classes there. No, it's not just class. It's something else. 240 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:58,160 Every day she goes to some weird locked room that only a few people had a key 241 00:14:58,160 --> 00:14:59,160 to. 242 00:15:00,180 --> 00:15:01,180 What's inside? 243 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:04,100 I don't know, but I think it's bad for her. 244 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:07,320 Very bad. 245 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:12,300 Let me know when you're done. 246 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:20,760 Well, looks like a bunch of true crime nerds made a mess. 247 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:23,520 Or a cold case club. 248 00:15:24,100 --> 00:15:28,760 There's your seminar supervised by Professor Garrett Poole. What's the 249 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:33,280 A victim was Kat Berman, murdered in 2019. 250 00:15:34,780 --> 00:15:35,880 Student at Queens University. 251 00:15:36,180 --> 00:15:38,100 She was stabbed once in the neck. 252 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,980 And six times in the back. 253 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:44,780 Exactly like that. 254 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:56,920 So Ivy Abbott was studying Kat Berman's murder and ends up getting killed in 255 00:15:56,920 --> 00:16:00,720 exactly the same way? Down to the twist of the knife. 256 00:16:01,329 --> 00:16:05,310 Take a look at Ivy's autopsy and Kat's autopsy from six years ago. 257 00:16:05,810 --> 00:16:09,170 Their fatal neck wounds were caused by the exact same maneuver. 258 00:16:09,410 --> 00:16:13,590 Followed by six stabs to the back, the only difference was the marks on the 259 00:16:13,590 --> 00:16:15,870 hand. Ivy had them, Kat did not. 260 00:16:16,150 --> 00:16:17,330 You talked to Kingston PD? 261 00:16:17,690 --> 00:16:21,590 Yeah, they gave us access to Kat's file, but they haven't had a new lead in 262 00:16:21,590 --> 00:16:26,450 forever. So, now we have two dead students, similar ages, same wound. 263 00:16:26,770 --> 00:16:31,530 Yeah. We might be looking at a serial murderer. Or a copycat who knew the 264 00:16:31,530 --> 00:16:32,530 pattern well. 265 00:16:33,070 --> 00:16:35,830 Maybe because they studied at a cold case club. 266 00:16:39,910 --> 00:16:41,430 Ivy was an excellent student. 267 00:16:41,670 --> 00:16:43,170 Sorry for your loss, Professor Poole. 268 00:16:43,430 --> 00:16:45,730 The provost told us she was in your cold case club. 269 00:16:45,990 --> 00:16:47,970 Yeah, one of only ten kids selected. 270 00:16:49,010 --> 00:16:53,150 Yes, it was an invitation -only criminology seminar for third -year 271 00:16:53,410 --> 00:16:55,690 and Ivy was, yeah, she was doing incredibly well. 272 00:16:56,030 --> 00:16:57,030 They all were. 273 00:16:57,290 --> 00:17:00,970 So you thought your best and brightest could solve Kat Berman's murder? 274 00:17:01,390 --> 00:17:03,570 That stumped the Kingston PD. 275 00:17:05,109 --> 00:17:07,150 It's more of a teaching exercise. 276 00:17:07,569 --> 00:17:12,390 So you take an unsolvable case, give it to a bunch of smart kids. 277 00:17:12,670 --> 00:17:13,670 And see what they do with it. 278 00:17:15,250 --> 00:17:18,569 They each bring their own expertise, their own point of view. It's 279 00:17:19,349 --> 00:17:21,410 And what was Ivy's angle? 280 00:17:22,390 --> 00:17:23,710 Interpreting witness testimony. 281 00:17:25,059 --> 00:17:27,800 And what if a student discovered the lead? 282 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:32,240 Well, then I would take it to the cold case unit, but I've been using this one 283 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:35,740 for a couple years now, and so far there are no new leads. 284 00:17:36,620 --> 00:17:39,100 But Ivy wanted to find one, yeah. 285 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:43,320 We heard she spent quite a lot of time in the seminar room after hours. 286 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:47,800 Yes, they all did, and I told them they'd get top marks if they solved it, 287 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:48,880 they couldn't take the files home. 288 00:17:49,360 --> 00:17:54,120 Did those files include Cat Berman's? 289 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:55,560 Autopsy. 290 00:17:56,420 --> 00:17:57,420 Yes, why? 291 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:02,140 Oh, we were wondering if any of the students were taking the pathology 292 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:03,900 Caused death, injuries. 293 00:18:05,700 --> 00:18:07,340 Yes, Morris LeMay. 294 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:12,400 He's an aspiring forensic pathologist. He was trying to recreate Cat Berman's 295 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,440 wounds using various unique methods. 296 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:20,000 Many budding pathologists practice replicating knife wounds. 297 00:18:20,700 --> 00:18:21,700 It's not weird. 298 00:18:24,429 --> 00:18:29,030 So, does everyone work on Miss Piggy? Well, they should. The consistency of 299 00:18:29,030 --> 00:18:31,850 flesh is very close to human. Well, funny, that's why we're here. 300 00:18:32,130 --> 00:18:33,690 Morris, where were you the night Ivy died? 301 00:18:33,930 --> 00:18:36,890 I didn't kill Ivy. I was with my parents here all night. 302 00:18:37,490 --> 00:18:38,490 You can ask them. 303 00:18:40,470 --> 00:18:41,470 What's on your mind? 304 00:18:41,610 --> 00:18:43,530 If only I'd moved faster, done better. 305 00:18:44,030 --> 00:18:47,270 Could have found out who really did this and Ivy would still be alive. 306 00:18:47,510 --> 00:18:50,010 Do you think Kath's killer murdered Ivy? Isn't it obvious? 307 00:18:50,210 --> 00:18:51,590 Ivy probably figured out who did it. 308 00:18:53,530 --> 00:18:54,530 Call yourself a detective. 309 00:18:56,470 --> 00:18:59,630 Professor Poole said that there were no new leads. 310 00:18:59,990 --> 00:19:01,290 Yeah, well, Poole doesn't know everything. 311 00:19:01,630 --> 00:19:04,670 Ivy finished reviewing witness testimony and moved on to something that wasn't 312 00:19:04,670 --> 00:19:05,670 even assigned to her. 313 00:19:05,890 --> 00:19:07,730 Something that no one was allowed to do. 314 00:19:08,250 --> 00:19:09,450 Interviewing real witnesses. 315 00:19:09,850 --> 00:19:10,849 How'd you know? 316 00:19:10,850 --> 00:19:12,550 That's exactly what he would have done. 317 00:19:12,870 --> 00:19:14,910 So, what was Ivy's strategy? 318 00:19:15,230 --> 00:19:17,110 Ivy was really into victimology. 319 00:19:17,730 --> 00:19:19,550 In particular, victim facilitation. 320 00:19:19,790 --> 00:19:21,790 You know, the theory of what makes someone a target. 321 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:25,000 But nothing in the witness testimony made it seem like Kat was a high -risk 322 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:26,960 victim. She went to work and school. 323 00:19:27,360 --> 00:19:30,020 So Ivy wanted to know how the killer came into Kat's orbit. 324 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:34,560 Yeah. Ivy figured the perp was either an unassuming random stalker... Or someone 325 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:37,100 Kat didn't want anyone else to know about. 326 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:39,740 Did Ivy find any new leads? 327 00:19:40,060 --> 00:19:42,240 She went to meet a witness the day she died. 328 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:44,820 I saw the address she wrote down before she left. 329 00:19:49,740 --> 00:19:52,410 Yes. Ivy Abbott came by here at 6 p .m. 330 00:19:52,850 --> 00:19:56,590 We chatted. She left. I was here till 12. I didn't even know her. 331 00:19:56,850 --> 00:20:00,190 But Ivy thought that you might know Kat Berman. 332 00:20:00,470 --> 00:20:03,900 Barely. I used to deliver pizzas to Kat. And where was this? 333 00:20:04,120 --> 00:20:07,480 Six years ago, I was living in Kingston with my aunt, and on the weekend, I 334 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:11,000 delivered pizzas for a place called Mac's Dough. And Ivy knew you were 335 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:14,400 delivering pizzas to Kat? She saw a photo of our pizza box in Kat's 336 00:20:14,660 --> 00:20:16,060 part of the case files, I guess. 337 00:20:16,260 --> 00:20:19,840 And Ivy wanted to know if you ever saw anyone with Kat on the weekends? 338 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,300 Yes, and there was a guy there with her sometimes. 339 00:20:23,100 --> 00:20:24,100 Definitely a boyfriend. 340 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:27,540 So, Damien, did you ever see a face, get a name? 341 00:20:27,940 --> 00:20:30,040 No, but I heard his voice. He was annoying. 342 00:20:30,510 --> 00:20:32,130 Told the same story over and over. 343 00:20:32,370 --> 00:20:37,430 So our pizza box was red, right? Every time Kat took it inside, he would make a 344 00:20:37,430 --> 00:20:41,310 comment on how it was the exact same color of his fancy cottage in 345 00:20:42,010 --> 00:20:44,450 So when I told Ivy about it, she got really tense. 346 00:20:44,690 --> 00:20:46,730 Said she needed to talk to her professor right away. 347 00:20:47,510 --> 00:20:48,650 Hmm. Hmm. 348 00:20:49,670 --> 00:20:50,870 He didn't tell us that. 349 00:20:56,090 --> 00:20:57,650 Morris, what are you doing here? 350 00:20:57,890 --> 00:20:58,890 I, uh... 351 00:20:59,050 --> 00:21:00,370 Came to grab some of my research. 352 00:21:00,650 --> 00:21:04,190 Well, you won't need it. Out of respect for Ivy, I'm canceling this seminar for 353 00:21:04,190 --> 00:21:05,189 good. 354 00:21:05,190 --> 00:21:06,410 But what about our grades? 355 00:21:07,270 --> 00:21:08,870 Is that all you can think about, your grades? 356 00:21:10,190 --> 00:21:11,950 What kind of question is that, man? 357 00:21:12,650 --> 00:21:13,650 What's wrong with you? 358 00:21:16,910 --> 00:21:17,910 I'm sorry. 359 00:21:18,030 --> 00:21:19,030 You're right. 360 00:21:19,470 --> 00:21:20,470 Hang on, hang on. 361 00:21:20,730 --> 00:21:21,730 I'm sorry. 362 00:21:23,650 --> 00:21:26,130 Marks will be determined based on the work that's already been submitted. 363 00:21:26,370 --> 00:21:27,370 You're okay. 364 00:21:27,570 --> 00:21:28,570 Don't worry. 365 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,500 So you've never heard of Damien Aku? 366 00:21:33,340 --> 00:21:36,380 No, I've never mentioned meeting anyone named Damien Aku. 367 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:41,500 I would never condone her reaching out to a stranger about the cold case. 368 00:21:41,740 --> 00:21:42,740 Really? 369 00:21:42,940 --> 00:21:48,820 Because Damien told us that Ivy's first priority was to report back to you about 370 00:21:48,820 --> 00:21:49,820 a new suspect. 371 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:51,500 Well, she may have sent an email. 372 00:21:52,300 --> 00:21:54,020 Maybe it ended up in my junk box. 373 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,900 I don't know. My inbox is a mess. I haven't had time to go through. This is 374 00:21:57,900 --> 00:22:00,920 first new clue in years, and you haven't had time? 375 00:22:01,460 --> 00:22:03,400 I'm saying I didn't know there was a new clue. 376 00:22:03,780 --> 00:22:05,900 Okay. Well, that's all right. You know what? We can fill you in. 377 00:22:06,500 --> 00:22:10,420 So Ivy found out that Cat had a secret boyfriend. 378 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:12,400 Now, we don't know his name. 379 00:22:12,620 --> 00:22:16,760 Oh, but we do know that he owns some pretty stunning property. 380 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,960 Yeah, a red cottage in Newfoundland. Kind of like this one. 381 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,300 Were you dating Cat Berman, Professor Poole? 382 00:22:28,420 --> 00:22:30,960 And what did you do when Ivy found out? 383 00:22:33,710 --> 00:22:38,570 We know he took a sabbatical from Osler in 2019, moved to Kingston to write a 384 00:22:38,570 --> 00:22:42,330 book on the penitentiary. Same here, Cat was killed. Yeah, Cat worked in a 385 00:22:42,330 --> 00:22:45,650 library that housed some of the penitentiary archives. They might have 386 00:22:45,650 --> 00:22:50,330 there. We haven't confirmed it, but after Cat was killed, Garrett Poole went 387 00:22:50,330 --> 00:22:53,910 back home and eventually started the Corky Club. It's possible he was simply 388 00:22:53,910 --> 00:22:57,370 interested in the case. They lived in the same city. Maybe you read about it 389 00:22:57,370 --> 00:22:59,670 the newspaper. Yeah, except that now we're thinking that he was sleeping with 390 00:22:59,670 --> 00:23:05,690 Cat. So he's either obsessed with the woman he loves, Or he's a murdering 391 00:23:05,690 --> 00:23:11,590 narcissist who's spent the last three years daring his students to catch him. 392 00:23:11,770 --> 00:23:13,750 Who the hell are we dealing with? 393 00:23:14,190 --> 00:23:15,610 We're about to find out. 394 00:23:20,970 --> 00:23:23,890 Yes, I was sleeping with Kat Berman in 2019. 395 00:23:24,590 --> 00:23:27,610 Our relationship has nothing to do with her murder. I didn't kill her. 396 00:23:27,890 --> 00:23:28,890 I loved her. 397 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:34,020 You used her murder as fodder for a university class. I want to solve the 398 00:23:34,220 --> 00:23:40,100 So did Ivy. And from the looks of it, she got dangerously close to the truth. 399 00:23:40,100 --> 00:23:44,460 got a warrant to search your communication, and you were not lying 400 00:23:44,460 --> 00:23:48,940 inbox being a mess, but we found this in your trash. 401 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:50,560 What is this? 402 00:23:51,120 --> 00:23:55,520 Ivy's email? The one that you couldn't find. It was sent the night she was 403 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,120 killed, but forgive me, I... 404 00:23:57,710 --> 00:23:59,890 I left my glasses on my desk. 405 00:24:00,110 --> 00:24:02,930 Perhaps you could read it out to us. 406 00:24:08,270 --> 00:24:10,050 I know you were dating Kat. 407 00:24:14,110 --> 00:24:16,590 This isn't what it looks like. Come on. No? 408 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:21,920 Because you deleted a very clear message from Ivy that would give you a very 409 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:23,320 clear motive for murder. 410 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:27,420 And let's face it, it might be easier just to get rid of her than to have to 411 00:24:27,420 --> 00:24:32,640 track down and destroy 2 ,000 copies of a book with a very damning detail on it. 412 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:38,900 I did not kill Ivy out of some kind of self -preservation because I did not 413 00:24:38,900 --> 00:24:40,100 Kat. Do you understand? 414 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:44,420 Then why would you lie to her? Do you have any idea how difficult it is to be 415 00:24:44,420 --> 00:24:45,420 male professor these days? 416 00:24:50,350 --> 00:24:54,930 I did not want the fact that I slept with Kat to get out, okay? It's not 417 00:24:54,930 --> 00:24:58,550 I killed her. It's because I would be ruined. I'd be canceled. I would lose 418 00:24:58,550 --> 00:25:00,690 everything. Yeah, but Ivy still knew. 419 00:25:01,830 --> 00:25:02,830 So what'd you do? 420 00:25:04,870 --> 00:25:08,830 Go after her? Yeah, your office is very, very close to where she was killed. 421 00:25:09,010 --> 00:25:10,810 Yeah, but I wasn't at my office. Where were you? 422 00:25:11,110 --> 00:25:13,190 I was with a colleague at her office. Who? 423 00:25:13,710 --> 00:25:14,710 Sarah Nielsen. 424 00:25:14,830 --> 00:25:18,870 I'm working with her on my new book. I was with her from 9 .30 to midnight. 425 00:25:19,790 --> 00:25:25,330 Sarah Nielsen, the campus therapist. Did you know that Sarah was treating Heidi? 426 00:25:27,090 --> 00:25:32,770 I mean... Yes. 427 00:25:33,090 --> 00:25:34,090 How? 428 00:25:36,650 --> 00:25:37,970 Because I introduced them. 429 00:25:39,830 --> 00:25:43,550 Do you handpick all your students' therapists? 430 00:25:46,510 --> 00:25:51,230 Maybe you got your pal to talk to Ivy for the same reason you trashed that 431 00:25:51,230 --> 00:25:56,590 email. Because you didn't want the world to know that you and Ivy were also in a 432 00:25:56,590 --> 00:25:57,590 sexual relationship. 433 00:25:58,110 --> 00:25:59,690 That would make you two for two. 434 00:26:00,250 --> 00:26:02,390 Two relationship, two students. 435 00:26:03,090 --> 00:26:08,770 Ivy never told me that she and Garrett Poole were sleeping together. I'd have 436 00:26:08,770 --> 00:26:09,629 report that. 437 00:26:09,630 --> 00:26:10,790 Even though you're friends. 438 00:26:11,170 --> 00:26:13,330 Ethics outweigh friendship, detective. So do morals. 439 00:26:13,910 --> 00:26:15,790 And the night Ivy was killed. 440 00:26:16,770 --> 00:26:19,930 Well, Garrett was with me in my office till well after midnight. We were 441 00:26:19,930 --> 00:26:20,930 on his new book. 442 00:26:21,370 --> 00:26:25,450 Whatever was happening with Ivy, Garrett's telling the truth about that 443 00:26:26,210 --> 00:26:27,690 That's helpful, Sarah. Thank you. 444 00:26:28,730 --> 00:26:33,030 Did forensics come back on those fibers in Ivy's hand? I was just about to call 445 00:26:33,030 --> 00:26:37,050 you. They're from a cord used in retractable key card fobs. 446 00:26:37,550 --> 00:26:40,130 What, like the one Poole used to let us into his office? 447 00:26:40,410 --> 00:26:43,770 It looked long enough to wrap around Ivy's hand, cause rope burn. 448 00:26:43,970 --> 00:26:47,790 I knew we shouldn't have let him go. No, the man had an alibi. It was verified. 449 00:26:48,110 --> 00:26:51,770 But if you find the cord, I can test it for Ivy's DNA. 450 00:26:52,150 --> 00:26:53,370 Thanks, Lucy. Stand by. 451 00:26:55,510 --> 00:27:00,280 Okay, you two, we need to be... Very strategic here, because whether or not 452 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,920 there's DNA on that cord... Poole's alibi still stands. 453 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:07,980 However, in my experience, even the most bulletproof of alibis will weaken when 454 00:27:07,980 --> 00:27:09,940 faced with a fear of obstructing justice. 455 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:15,680 So if we tell ethical, moral Sarah that we've got something against Poole, she 456 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:21,160 might bend. And if you gild the lily by showing her a little more of the horror 457 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,700 of the crime she's covering up... She might break. 458 00:27:25,100 --> 00:27:29,880 And you, uh, put a spent team on the wall. Nothing I'd rather do. Go break 459 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:30,880 alibi. 460 00:27:33,460 --> 00:27:34,460 Garrett. 461 00:27:35,420 --> 00:27:37,120 Thank God they released you. You okay? 462 00:27:37,380 --> 00:27:38,780 Yeah, I'm fine. I'm fine. 463 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,100 Thanks for talking to the cops. You're a lifesaver. 464 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,780 Um... Garrett. 465 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,220 Yeah? Is there anything that you want to tell me? 466 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:52,240 About what? 467 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:53,320 About Ivy. 468 00:27:55,370 --> 00:27:57,450 Garrett, I just lied for you. 469 00:27:57,970 --> 00:28:02,770 You know I didn't hurt her, right? 470 00:28:03,670 --> 00:28:04,670 You know that. 471 00:28:04,850 --> 00:28:05,890 Of course you didn't. 472 00:28:06,250 --> 00:28:07,430 But nothing. 473 00:28:07,770 --> 00:28:12,630 Why should we give some myopic cops any window of opportunity to pin this on me? 474 00:28:12,810 --> 00:28:18,250 I left your office. I was out walking around the campus just processing all 475 00:28:18,250 --> 00:28:21,470 these great ideas that you had for the last chapter, you know? 476 00:28:22,810 --> 00:28:23,789 You're amazing. 477 00:28:23,790 --> 00:28:24,790 You know that, right? 478 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:25,960 Oh, Tom. 479 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,140 God, I'm so lucky to have you. 480 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:29,880 What do you mean? 481 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:36,560 I mean, you're loyal and you're faithful and 482 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,280 you're so smart. 483 00:28:40,540 --> 00:28:41,720 It's just pure. 484 00:28:42,580 --> 00:28:43,620 There's no silliness. 485 00:28:43,980 --> 00:28:46,020 There's no messy feelings getting in the way. 486 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:53,960 Why are you showing me these? 487 00:28:54,260 --> 00:28:58,900 Because we believe your friend Garrett Poole did that to Ivy Abbott. That's 488 00:28:58,900 --> 00:29:01,320 impossible. I told you that we work together. 489 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,760 It's amazing what people will do to protect a friend. 490 00:29:09,060 --> 00:29:10,380 What do you have in your pocket? 491 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:11,760 Come on, show me. 492 00:29:16,860 --> 00:29:19,240 Okay, so you're by yourself. 493 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:20,560 It's nighttime. 494 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:22,220 Someone's following you. 495 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,800 Out of all of this, what do you use to defend yourself? 496 00:29:27,300 --> 00:29:29,040 So, they have a knife. 497 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:31,720 You have a pen. 498 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:36,500 I mean, compared to you, right now, Ivy was lucky. She had her keys on her. 499 00:29:37,380 --> 00:29:41,080 Intertwined them between her fingers in the hope that she could take a swing and 500 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:41,639 then run. 501 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:42,640 But she didn't. 502 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,740 Because someone stabbed her in the side of the neck before she got the chance. 503 00:29:47,500 --> 00:29:48,940 Why would Garrett do this? 504 00:29:49,180 --> 00:29:54,080 Ivy learned that there was another student he was involved with who also 505 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,260 up dead. Cat Berman six years ago. There were more. 506 00:29:57,740 --> 00:29:59,080 I knew about Ivy. 507 00:29:59,340 --> 00:30:04,500 Right. You knew that Paul was sleeping with Ivy. Why are you wasting our time? 508 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:07,200 Okay. 509 00:30:08,740 --> 00:30:09,980 Ivy told me. 510 00:30:10,220 --> 00:30:13,280 I was horrified, but I couldn't always trust what she said. 511 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,380 I told her it wasn't appropriate. 512 00:30:16,970 --> 00:30:19,370 And she told me that she was too scared to break up with him. 513 00:30:19,790 --> 00:30:22,070 Now, I could never imagine Garrett threatening a woman. 514 00:30:22,350 --> 00:30:25,030 Oh, this looks more than a threat, doesn't it? 515 00:30:26,170 --> 00:30:27,630 Garrett wouldn't hurt anyone. 516 00:30:28,130 --> 00:30:29,130 Come on, Sarah. 517 00:30:29,430 --> 00:30:34,330 Predators don't just hide in the shadows. They are in nice offices, in 518 00:30:34,330 --> 00:30:36,690 homes, in positions of power. 519 00:30:36,930 --> 00:30:39,270 And you are enabling it. 520 00:30:41,330 --> 00:30:42,330 Why? 521 00:30:43,490 --> 00:30:45,290 I didn't want Garrett to be ruined. 522 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,720 What if Garrett was telling the truth? What if Ivy was lying? 523 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,560 But she wasn't. So don't lie for him. 524 00:30:57,500 --> 00:31:04,500 Garrett was in my office with me until 11 p .m. 525 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:08,200 I'm sorry. 526 00:31:08,340 --> 00:31:12,540 I never thought that he could do something like this. So when he asked me 527 00:31:12,540 --> 00:31:14,260 that we were together until midnight... 528 00:31:19,180 --> 00:31:20,180 Detective, some word? 529 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:27,220 Spin team just called. Poole is on the move. He's got a suitcase with him. I'll 530 00:31:27,220 --> 00:31:28,520 deal with Vera. You go. 531 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:35,919 Very good. 532 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:36,920 Keep up. 533 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:39,560 Dr. Poole! 534 00:31:40,820 --> 00:31:41,820 Dear Poole! 535 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:42,920 Police! Stop! 536 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:48,560 What the hell is going on here? 537 00:31:49,180 --> 00:31:50,180 I didn't do anything. 538 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:51,440 We'll see about that. 539 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,480 Garrett Poole, you're under arrest for murder of Ivy Abbott. 540 00:32:03,140 --> 00:32:04,960 I was headed to Union Station. 541 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:09,640 I'm catching a train to go to Hudson Valley to see a friend. I'm not guilty 542 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:13,340 anything. Well, the jury's out on that. But we'll have a clearer picture once 543 00:32:13,340 --> 00:32:17,460 forensics comes back with the key fob. You see, we believe it was the last 544 00:32:17,460 --> 00:32:20,580 that... Ivy Abbott grabbed four before she died. 545 00:32:20,780 --> 00:32:25,380 You knew it was only a matter of time before Ivy outed you as Kat's killer, so 546 00:32:25,380 --> 00:32:27,640 you got rid of her to save yourself. 547 00:32:27,900 --> 00:32:32,820 I didn't kill Ivy. I didn't kill Kat. I told you I loved them, both of them. You 548 00:32:32,820 --> 00:32:36,800 preyed on two young students, and both have ended up dead. 549 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:38,800 Is that the results? 550 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:40,140 The DNA test? 551 00:32:40,460 --> 00:32:41,460 What does it say? 552 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:43,200 What does it say? 553 00:32:49,070 --> 00:32:50,570 Negative for Ivy's DNA. 554 00:32:51,010 --> 00:32:53,990 Yeah, I told you. I told you I didn't kill anyone. 555 00:32:54,310 --> 00:32:59,350 Then why did you ask a colleague to fabricate an alibi for you? I didn't ask 556 00:32:59,350 --> 00:33:00,229 to do that. 557 00:33:00,230 --> 00:33:01,350 It was her idea. 558 00:33:02,370 --> 00:33:06,410 So she just came up with this whole plan all by herself. Why? 559 00:33:06,710 --> 00:33:12,450 Sarah is a friend, okay? She's a close friend. She adores me. She'd do anything 560 00:33:12,450 --> 00:33:17,910 for me. So when we found out that Ivy was killed, a student we both knew... 561 00:33:18,190 --> 00:33:22,050 Sarah suggested that we just say that we were together, you know, just to keep 562 00:33:22,050 --> 00:33:23,050 things tidy. 563 00:33:24,490 --> 00:33:30,550 So one more time, where were you? At 11 o 'clock, I went out for a walk, and 564 00:33:30,550 --> 00:33:32,750 Sarah stayed behind and worked on my edits. 565 00:33:36,870 --> 00:33:41,250 Leaving you both alone and unaccounted for at the time of Ivy Abbott's murder. 566 00:33:43,290 --> 00:33:45,870 Let's get Sarah's interview up. Yep, I'm on it. 567 00:33:49,900 --> 00:33:50,900 What do you have in your pocket? 568 00:33:51,900 --> 00:33:52,900 No, it's nothing. 569 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:55,360 Okay, 570 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:56,880 so you're alone. 571 00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:58,640 It's nighttime. 572 00:34:05,620 --> 00:34:09,760 The white key card. It's not the official blue one the rest of the staff 573 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:10,698 It's temporary. 574 00:34:10,699 --> 00:34:15,120 She tried to hide it, which means she got rid of her official card and the fob 575 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:15,998 that went with it. 576 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,500 And as Poole said... 577 00:34:19,340 --> 00:34:21,719 She doors him. She'd do anything to help him. 578 00:34:22,860 --> 00:34:27,580 Sarah Nielsen was inside Ivy's head. Yeah, she knew she could kill Ivy and 579 00:34:27,580 --> 00:34:30,100 the finger at any number of people in Ivy's life. 580 00:34:30,340 --> 00:34:33,780 Even pointed you two toward a stalker. And all the while, she was covering for 581 00:34:33,780 --> 00:34:35,500 Poole, which also gave herself an alibi. 582 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:37,159 That's some fancy footwork. 583 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,719 But then for some reason, she decided to throw Poole under the bus. 584 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,920 Why? Well, because we offered him up as a patsy. 585 00:34:44,300 --> 00:34:49,179 And if Sarah's smart, the only piece of hard evidence that we hope to test is 586 00:34:49,179 --> 00:34:51,400 long gone. Finding that fob wouldn't help. 587 00:34:52,980 --> 00:34:58,780 I'm Sarah's defense lawyer. First thing I'd say, everyone at Osler has that fob. 588 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:00,720 30 ,000 people could be your killer. 589 00:35:01,060 --> 00:35:02,620 I like this game. Okay. 590 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:07,080 Well, what would you say if I said to you, your client has no alibi? She was 591 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:08,080 her office. 592 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,820 Working. The therapist's offices don't have cameras. I checked. 593 00:35:12,060 --> 00:35:13,060 Thank you, Counselor. 594 00:35:13,150 --> 00:35:14,150 But I have the floor. 595 00:35:14,250 --> 00:35:19,710 Oh. You don't have my client's prints on the murder weapon because you don't 596 00:35:19,710 --> 00:35:22,050 have a murder weapon. No sign of her on CCTV. 597 00:35:22,630 --> 00:35:24,470 At least not a recognizable Sarah. 598 00:35:24,730 --> 00:35:29,570 Okay, but what is a recognizable Sarah? The woman is a cipher. I don't think 599 00:35:29,570 --> 00:35:32,190 I've seen the real Sarah this entire time. 600 00:35:32,450 --> 00:35:35,050 This... This could be the real Sarah. 601 00:35:35,270 --> 00:35:38,490 This just pulls one big book, right? Got him tenure, but... 602 00:35:39,130 --> 00:35:42,690 Doesn't read like his earlier papers. Listen to this language. As Anna Freud 603 00:35:42,690 --> 00:35:47,550 posited in 1936, defense mechanisms operate unconsciously to protect the 604 00:35:47,750 --> 00:35:49,730 Repression, rejection, sublimation, displacement. 605 00:35:50,310 --> 00:35:55,290 Sigmund Freud swung at these conditions with a hammer. But Anna Freud believed 606 00:35:55,290 --> 00:36:00,430 in time, layers, and patience. She unpacked these emotions with care and 607 00:36:00,430 --> 00:36:02,110 them with a watercolor brush. 608 00:36:02,630 --> 00:36:04,950 That's exactly what Harris had asked me first, Matt. 609 00:36:05,690 --> 00:36:06,790 You think... 610 00:36:07,070 --> 00:36:08,070 That's her research? 611 00:36:08,130 --> 00:36:09,130 And she gave it all to Poole? 612 00:36:09,690 --> 00:36:10,649 Romantic, isn't it? 613 00:36:10,650 --> 00:36:11,650 It certainly is. 614 00:36:12,330 --> 00:36:13,630 And that's how we break her. 615 00:36:15,190 --> 00:36:16,470 Thanks for meeting me here, Sarah. 616 00:36:18,150 --> 00:36:19,150 How are you feeling? 617 00:36:20,370 --> 00:36:24,370 I'm a little stunned. I can't believe that Garrett said it was my idea to lie 618 00:36:24,370 --> 00:36:25,348 about his alibi. 619 00:36:25,350 --> 00:36:27,130 Yeah, well, we saw right through that. 620 00:36:27,450 --> 00:36:28,890 Well, I'm just glad that you caught him. 621 00:36:29,270 --> 00:36:30,270 Yeah. 622 00:36:30,430 --> 00:36:34,550 But it's not over yet. We still have to put him behind bars and... 623 00:36:35,210 --> 00:36:41,030 And there are aspects of both Ivy and Kat's cases that we just still don't 624 00:36:41,030 --> 00:36:43,410 understand. So I'm hoping you can help. 625 00:36:43,690 --> 00:36:44,790 Well, I don't know Kat. 626 00:36:45,050 --> 00:36:46,050 Oh, that's okay. 627 00:36:46,270 --> 00:36:50,450 Kat's murder was almost exactly like Ivy's. And Ivy, you know Garrett. 628 00:36:50,710 --> 00:36:52,990 You're the expert here, not me. 629 00:36:53,430 --> 00:36:55,390 I'm so curious about your perspective. 630 00:36:56,350 --> 00:36:58,810 I've already told you everything I know. 631 00:36:59,050 --> 00:37:00,670 Facts. Yeah, but... 632 00:37:01,180 --> 00:37:05,560 I'm looking for feelings. And you were practically inside their heads. I mean, 633 00:37:05,620 --> 00:37:08,400 you were Ivy's therapist and Garrett's muse. 634 00:37:09,500 --> 00:37:10,880 What do you mean, Garrett's muse? 635 00:37:12,860 --> 00:37:15,560 Oh, Sarah, I read his book. 636 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:21,640 Those chapters on defense mechanisms, impulsivity, emotional dysregulation, 637 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:22,640 was all you. 638 00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,940 No, no, no, no, no, no. It wasn't all me. We worked together. 639 00:37:26,220 --> 00:37:27,220 On your ideas? 640 00:37:27,260 --> 00:37:28,680 Well, I wanted to help him. 641 00:37:28,980 --> 00:37:30,220 Yeah, like you. 642 00:37:30,910 --> 00:37:32,010 Helped him with his alibi? 643 00:37:34,030 --> 00:37:35,030 Hey, it's okay. 644 00:37:35,290 --> 00:37:36,670 I know it's not your fault. 645 00:37:37,110 --> 00:37:40,990 I think that Garrett was able to get away with these murders because he 646 00:37:40,990 --> 00:37:43,550 manipulated his victims, you included. 647 00:37:44,290 --> 00:37:45,770 This guy was very careful. 648 00:37:45,990 --> 00:37:47,990 No, no, there's careful and then there's controlling. 649 00:37:48,430 --> 00:37:49,430 What do you mean? 650 00:37:49,570 --> 00:37:52,490 Well, Ivy mentioned that Garrett asked to track her phone. 651 00:37:52,850 --> 00:37:54,330 That's why she was so scared. 652 00:37:54,550 --> 00:37:57,390 He liked to lead in relationships, to have the upper hand. 653 00:37:57,670 --> 00:37:59,790 Was he like that with you, too, in your relationship? 654 00:38:01,230 --> 00:38:03,310 Well, Garrett and I, we're just friends. 655 00:38:05,450 --> 00:38:06,450 Really? 656 00:38:06,770 --> 00:38:10,210 Fair. Come on. I can tell when a woman is in love. 657 00:38:12,270 --> 00:38:15,270 Garrett knew how you felt, and he took advantage of that? 658 00:38:15,750 --> 00:38:16,850 What are you suggesting? 659 00:38:17,570 --> 00:38:19,870 That I'm weak? No. God, no. 660 00:38:20,250 --> 00:38:24,210 No, I've, uh... I've been there myself. 661 00:38:25,090 --> 00:38:26,090 Huh. 662 00:38:26,410 --> 00:38:29,770 My rookie year, I fell absolutely head over heels. 663 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:31,540 With a guy that I worked with. 664 00:38:31,900 --> 00:38:33,940 I became obsessed. 665 00:38:34,460 --> 00:38:37,180 I memorized his schedule. I followed him around. 666 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,280 I would make excuses to work together. 667 00:38:39,620 --> 00:38:40,620 Did he like you back? 668 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:42,840 He liked my work. 669 00:38:43,620 --> 00:38:49,380 He liked it so much that sometimes he would claim it as his own. 670 00:38:51,340 --> 00:38:55,600 Yeah, eventually he did want more than just my work. 671 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:56,980 So he did like you back? 672 00:38:57,240 --> 00:38:58,260 Mm -hmm. Yeah. 673 00:38:59,370 --> 00:39:05,430 But he didn't like me enough to get serious because it turns out he was 674 00:39:05,430 --> 00:39:06,430 the entire time. 675 00:39:07,350 --> 00:39:09,990 Oh. And I wanted a kid. 676 00:39:10,410 --> 00:39:14,830 I wanted a family. That's terrible. At least Garrett isn't married. 677 00:39:15,550 --> 00:39:17,530 Huh? No. 678 00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:25,370 He is otherwise engaged. He spends his time on frivolous things but gives you 679 00:39:25,370 --> 00:39:26,690 just enough to hang on. 680 00:39:27,070 --> 00:39:31,110 Kind words, empty promises, and all the while, your time marches on. Your window 681 00:39:31,110 --> 00:39:32,110 is closing. 682 00:39:32,470 --> 00:39:35,290 I have always had feelings for Garrett. 683 00:39:36,210 --> 00:39:41,130 But he said that we shouldn't cross the line, that we're colleagues. 684 00:39:41,450 --> 00:39:45,030 But he crosses the line with his students. But that's none of my 685 00:39:45,030 --> 00:39:47,090 have accepted that we are just friends. 686 00:39:47,350 --> 00:39:51,510 No, friends don't steal a friend's work. Friends don't use their friends to try 687 00:39:51,510 --> 00:39:54,050 to cover up their affairs with students. 688 00:39:54,620 --> 00:39:57,660 And friends don't blame their friends for their crimes. 689 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:01,300 Or maybe they do. 690 00:40:02,860 --> 00:40:07,460 See, I think you might be doing exactly that to Garrett. 691 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:09,580 What are you talking about? 692 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,440 Sarah, how would you define projection? 693 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:18,140 It's when someone attributes their own undesirable feelings, thoughts, and 694 00:40:18,140 --> 00:40:19,420 behaviors to somebody else. 695 00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:23,640 Okay, so like when you suggested that Ivy was borderline with a touch of 696 00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:27,840 paranoid personality disorder and intense emotions, fear of abandonment, 697 00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:33,760 impulsivity, delusion. I am not delusional, Detective. And I actually, 698 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,760 nothing but try to help you. Yeah. 699 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:38,580 Well, you've been very helpful. 700 00:40:39,150 --> 00:40:43,650 When you wanted me to trust you and like you, you told me everything I wanted to 701 00:40:43,650 --> 00:40:44,650 hear. 702 00:40:44,730 --> 00:40:50,010 I've read your notes, and I made some of my own, and I think all those things 703 00:40:50,010 --> 00:40:54,510 you were saying about Ivy, you were really talking about yourself. 704 00:40:57,270 --> 00:40:58,270 Sarah, stop. 705 00:40:58,410 --> 00:41:01,370 No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm done here. From the moment that I walked into that 706 00:41:01,370 --> 00:41:04,850 office, you've been trying to manipulate me. And now you are trying to turn the 707 00:41:04,850 --> 00:41:07,850 tables with anger and contempt, and it's not going to work. 708 00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,140 Was that your attempt at empathizing in there? At relating? 709 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,780 God, you are so out of your depth. You should be embarrassed. See, you're 710 00:41:14,780 --> 00:41:19,120 projecting again. You've been carrying a torch for that man for ten years. Ten 711 00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:23,960 years of him stealing your work, tossing you scraps while he screws his 712 00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,580 students. And you know it's shameful, and you still can't stop. 713 00:41:27,780 --> 00:41:30,500 I don't need Garrett. No, you don't, but you want him. 714 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:35,220 You want him fully and forever, and you know he wants you too. You just needed a 715 00:41:35,220 --> 00:41:36,220 little nudge. 716 00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:40,640 You know that one day he's going to wake up and look at you and see what is 717 00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:44,240 right in front of him, what's been here all along. You just needed those girls 718 00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:45,540 to get out of the way. 719 00:41:45,940 --> 00:41:46,940 They're baubles. 720 00:41:47,140 --> 00:41:49,040 They're trinkets. You. 721 00:41:49,700 --> 00:41:51,100 You are the real thing. 722 00:41:53,380 --> 00:41:59,380 So you stabbed Kat outside her house. You tracked Ivy's phone and you killed 723 00:41:59,380 --> 00:42:04,240 her. No, no. You have no proof. I know that you threw away your key card. And 724 00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:05,660 Ivy was smart. 725 00:42:06,060 --> 00:42:07,240 She grabbed it, didn't she? 726 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:11,360 As she was dying, because in her last moment, she wanted to leave a trace. 727 00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:16,020 Someone stop her. Someone please stop this monster. Ivy was a child, okay? An 728 00:42:16,020 --> 00:42:17,020 idiotic fool. 729 00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:21,600 And she thought that Garrett was going to, what, leave his job and marry her? I 730 00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:24,980 tried to play nice. How? I told her to leave. I said leave town. 731 00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,660 But she stuck around. She didn't listen. Garrett didn't listen either? No, he 732 00:42:28,660 --> 00:42:31,820 never does. I don't know what I have to do. And that's why you threw him under 733 00:42:31,820 --> 00:42:32,419 the bus. 734 00:42:32,420 --> 00:42:34,260 To make him listen. To make him yours. 735 00:42:36,020 --> 00:42:40,660 Yes. Yes, because then it would finally be me and him, and I would stand by him, 736 00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:45,860 and I would visit him, and when he got out of prison, he would know who really 737 00:42:45,860 --> 00:42:46,860 loved him. 738 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,680 I wonder if he's going to visit you. 739 00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:11,120 You okay? 740 00:43:11,420 --> 00:43:12,420 Yeah. 741 00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,580 I think I used a bit more hammer than I did watercolor. 742 00:43:17,060 --> 00:43:22,700 Well, whatever the tool, you still painted our killer into a corner. 743 00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:26,460 Never easy to corner another woman.